From: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com [mailto:radhagopinath@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Purswani, Naveen
Sent: 25 March 2010 17:37
To: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {RadhaGopinath: 1173} Is live-in relationship acceptable ?
Hare Krishna Prabhu,
Pamho, Agtsp,
I completely agree with the devotees below.
Just added my comments inline.
Ys
naveen
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From: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com [mailto:radhagopinath@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arun Singh
Sent: 25 March 2010 14:17
To: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {RadhaGopinath: 1170} Is live-in relationship acceptable ?
Hari Bol Prabhu,
As per my understanding Bhima has ask his brother and mother for desire of Hidimba to get marry with him and they had given permission and he got married with Hidimba. As per sastra one who gets married sex relationship is to beget child and they had child who fight against Durodhyan.
[Naveen] BG 7.11 http://vedabase.net/bg/7/11/ - sex life, according to religious principles (dharma), should be for the propagation of children, not otherwise.
Even Arjuna has got married when he was conquering but all relation with the approval of parent's from girl side and since Arjuna was Ksatirya.
[Naveen] There are different categories of Marriages like gandharva vivah, rakshasa vivah, daivi varna ashrama vivah. Arjuna married subhadra by kidnapping but marriage was there.
As par as Shakuntala & Dusyanta when they got marriage at that time Gandharva were also present.
[Naveen] Their marriage was gandharva vivah. http://vedabase.net/sb/9/20/16/en
Today's relationship is completely on sense gratification not level of service where as earlier relation was in service. Today there is no approval from parent and never get married and just for sense gratification. As per as in kaliyuga all these relation is not permitted.
[Naveen] Every yuga has different rules for mankind. As given in Manu Samhita. There are many rules which are different from previous yugas.
Whatever sacrifice Bhima and Arjuna has performed it is very difficult for us to do same sacrifice but when the issue of enjoyment we always take these example.
And below prabhu has explain that in Kaliyuga maintain one wife is very difficult and if you more than one wife then your life will be miserable.
Earlier Yuga that was not the case.
[Naveen] Manu Samhita says that in kaliyuga, only one wife is permitted.
Sorry prabhu my English not good and anything wrong please forgive me.
[Naveen] Even if language is improper every word spoken to glorify the supreme Lord causes revolution in the impious life of misdirected civilization.
Ref: http://vedabase.net/sb/1/5/11/en
Thank you for wonderful explanation.
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From: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com [mailto:radhagopinath@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pandey, Brij
Sent: 25 March 2010 15:39
To: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com
Subject: {RadhaGopinath: 1171} what will be your answer?
Prabhu's who so ever is having confusion regarding Live-in-relationship imagine your beloved little sister is asking this question to you. what will be your answer?
and some one in future will have confusion on extra marital affair, they should assume that their beloved spouse is asking this question. what will be your answer?
It is proven when ever we think from sense enjoyment perspective we give ourselves liberty of getting confused. But just think from a controller's point of view. what will be your answer? Your confusion will definitely run away from you.
Here is a short story about this
We get back what we give
A little boy got angry with his mother and shouted at her, "I hate you, I hate you." Because of fear of reprimand, he ran out of the house. He went up to the valley and shouted, "I hate you, I hate you," and the echo returned, "I hate you, I hate you."
Having never heard an echo before, he was scared, and ran to his mother for protection. He said there was a bad boy in the valley who shouted "I hate you, I hate you"
The mother understood and she asked her son to go back and shout, "I love you, I love you". The little boy went and shouted, "I love you, I love you," and back came the echo.
That taught the little boy a lesson: Our life is like an echo. We get back what we give
forgive me if I hurt any devotee.
Hari Hari Bol
Brij
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From: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com [mailto:radhagopinath@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arun Singh
Sent: 25 March 2010 14:17
To: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {RadhaGopinath: 1170} Is live-in relationship acceptable ?
Hari Bol Prabhu,
As per my understanding Bhima has ask his brother and mother for desire of Hidimba to get marry with him and they had given permission and he got married with Hidimba. As per sastra one who gets married sex relationship is to beget child and they had child who fight against Durodhyan.Even Arjuna has got married when he was conquering but all relation with the approval of parent's from girl side and since Arjuna was Ksatirya. As par as Shakuntala & Dusyanta when they got marriage at that time Gandharva were also present.
Today's relationship is completely on sense gratification not level of service where as earlier relation was in service. Today there is no approval from parent and never get married and just for sense gratification. As per as in kaliyuga all these relation is not permitted. Whatever sacrifice Bhima and Arjuna has performed it is very difficult for us to do same sacrifice but when the issue of enjoyment we always take these example.
And below prabhu has explain that in Kaliyuga maintain one wife is very difficult and if you more than one wife then your life will be miserable.
Earlier Yuga that was not the case.
Sorry prabhu my English not good and anything wrong please forgive me.
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From: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com [mailto:radhagopinath@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chawla, Manoj (Singapore)
Sent: 25 March 2010 13:50
To: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {RadhaGopinath: 1168} Is live-in relationship acceptable ?
Hari Hari Bol,
PAMHO AGTSP
As far as my limited understanding goes, this kind of relationship is never encouraged by vedas/sastras.
http://vedabase.net/bg/1/40/en
http://vedabase.net/bg/1/41/en
http://vedabase.net/bg/1/42/en
With respects to Bhima and Hidimba, as far as I understand, Bhima did marry Hidimba and it was not a live-in relationship. I think same goes for Shakuntala and Dushyanta. Also Bhima was a ksatriya and a ksatriya is allowed to marry more than one woman with a caveat that he will protect and take of the woman he is marrying and indeed ksatriyas in those days were able to protect and take care of their wives. But in kaliyuga all of know the reality .!!!
Shakuntala & Dusyanta - http://vedabase.net/sb/9/20/16/en
Quoting Radha and Krsna as we understand from sastras is completely transcendental relationship so that cannot be compared to any of the below.
Maybe you can hear more nice explainations from other senior vaishnanvas.
Yr Servant
Gopinath acarya das
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From: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com [mailto:radhagopinath@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NIRAJ SINGH
Sent: 25 March 2010 12:23
To: radhagopinath@googlegroups.com
Subject: {RadhaGopinath: 1166} Is live-in relationship acceptable ?
Dear Devotees ,
Pamho, agtsp
Indian Supreme court has observed recently that live-in relationship is not illegal and not punishable act . It has come from none other than chief justice of India . Please take note that it is not judgment mere observation . He further quoted Radha Krsna relationship fall in the category of live-in relationship.
Live-in relationship may lead to pre-martial sex may not lead to pre-martial sex.
There are many instances of live-in relationship in Vedic history .
Shakuntala and Dushyanta , Bhima and Hidimbi etc.
It may be erroneous inference but it seems Vedic culture is tolerant and liberal about consensual relation between two adults of opposite sex even outside the boundary socially acceptable marriage.
Is live-in relationship acceptable in Vedic Culture ?
I am confused , request enlightenment from all of you .
Your Humble Servant
Narda Rishi Das
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